That's good to hear. My stream that used to look like a happening place is now a ghost town. I still don't really understand why Twitter 'won' over Jaiku.
Who else is still here? Show of hands, please. :-)
So far my approach has been sort of let them come back on their own as they discover the limits problems with other services, then just be here like they never left.
My thinking is that things are not yet perfect here after the move, and it would be better if more of the bugs were solved, and some new features implemented (the guys over at poboxpress have created a couple of cool features, that will be added to JaikuEngine) before everyone comes thundering back. Also, I think there is still some fear of the bird, which still shows up now and then, but a refresh has always made it dis-appear for me.
Oh yes, the bird. (sigh) I've already seen that little feathered guy during my short time back, I'm afraid. Certainly better than dealing with all the shortcomings of "other" services though. :-)
I should point out that the bird only happens nowadays when we're in danger of running up against appengine's 30 second http request timeout. Your posts or comments usually get through despite the warning. I tend to open a new tab and check that things went through just in case.
The bird is happening because @termie has code that detects we're about to hit the timeout limit and shows a warning page. He's working on changing that code using the new background task queues feature so the bird should go away entirely.
According to the AppEngine folks like @bslatkin we should never be "over capacity" here.
@PseudoFinn: i dont know for sure, but some of friends said so. but they might be wrong. but i like jaiku better.
does anyone know plurk.com? take a look at it. its kinda like twitter and jaiku.
@adewale- quite true, it seems. When I did get flipped the bird, my comment still made it through- this is fine with me so long as the operation has completed. Quickly firing up another tab just to verify that this is the case is a decent tip. :-)
@krnkarina: @jyri et al founded Jaiku in February of 2006 and launched in July. The Twitter project started in late March of the same year- I believe as a means to enhance and harbor creativity by a private company (Odeo I think- podcasting?).
So, technically Jaiku is older in concept- but I think Twitter has been in operation for every-so-slightly longer- but that was just a private launch. I believe the official public launch was in July- same as Jaiku.
For some reason, the less functional and far less useful (IMO at least) non-conversational Twitter service took off better than Jaiku. Certainly doesn't make it anywhere near as good of a product, just means that more people jumped on to the Twitter bandwagon as it rolled through their digital village. ;-)
Speaking of less functionality- is Lifestreaming ever going to re-appear in Jaiku? Really miss that feature, and it seemed to be the point that my circle of contacts dropped out of Jaiku. I suppose it could have just been coincidentally timed with the near-death experience and subsequent open sourcing that the service suffered at the hands of its new parent company- but that was when my stream became a ghost town and I took off myself. Trying to replace the void left by my beloved Jaiku with Twitter was just... well, it was stupid.
I think determining the age of the various services is very complicated. Jack Dorsey had apparently been thinking about the concept of Twitter for several years in advance of the actual launch: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jackdorsey/182613360/
The PubSubHubBub project should mean that we'll have the infrastructure to support feeds again without having to deal with load issues we had last time.
However I wonder if we can learn from FriendFeed and build a better version of the Jaiku lifestream than we had last time.
@adewale Is it valid to file a 'bug' for lifestreaming- as it was just a feature that was dropped, correct? Happy to do so though- I enjoyed it, mostly for Flickr updates.
@PseudoFinn: I think you got the main points around the startup period (BTW, @krnkarina is new here so...). I think Joi Ito says it best hereJaiku, which existed before Twitter, is a bunch of Helsinki mobile jocks getting into the Web 2.0 of it all whereas Twitter is the Web 2.0 crowd "getting" co-presence . As to the question of why Twitter took off and Jaiku did not, I think the major contributers were - Silicon Valley + SXSW echo-chamber effects, combined with the timing of the Google purchase.
@krnkarina I think Plurk was one of the "follow-on" services that popped up once Twitter started to get tech-press coverage. From what i understand, it is only really usable via a web-interface.
Regarding Lifestreaming, I always liked it because it helped me to get a better idea of a person so I was able to make a more informed choice around following them (what other services did they use, what were they putting on those services, quick look at their blog etc).
@PseudoFinn: Jaiku is an open source project so any and all issues (not bugs) are valid. Of course filing an issue doesn't guarantee that anyone will work on it.
On the other hand the more detailed and compelling the vision the more likely it is to attract developers.
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more and more of us each day :)
4 months ago by ymb
That's good to hear. My stream that used to look like a happening place is now a ghost town. I still don't really understand why Twitter 'won' over Jaiku.
Who else is still here? Show of hands, please. :-)
4 months ago by PseudoFinn
I'm here! never left :)
4 months ago by cybette
I know you never left! You were the strong one. :-)
Question is... how do we get everyone else back? Not that I'm not perfectly content to chat with you fine people. :-)
4 months ago by PseudoFinn
So far my approach has been sort of let them come back on their own as they discover the limits problems with other services, then just be here like they never left.
My thinking is that things are not yet perfect here after the move, and it would be better if more of the bugs were solved, and some new features implemented (the guys over at poboxpress have created a couple of cool features, that will be added to JaikuEngine) before everyone comes thundering back. Also, I think there is still some fear of the bird, which still shows up now and then, but a refresh has always made it dis-appear for me.
4 months ago by ymb
Oh yes, the bird. (sigh) I've already seen that little feathered guy during my short time back, I'm afraid. Certainly better than dealing with all the shortcomings of "other" services though. :-)
4 months ago by PseudoFinn
'hello again''? so jaiku was created first before twitter?
4 months ago by krnkarina
@krnkarina: You're kidding, right?
4 months ago by PseudoFinn
I should point out that the bird only happens nowadays when we're in danger of running up against appengine's 30 second http request timeout. Your posts or comments usually get through despite the warning. I tend to open a new tab and check that things went through just in case.
The bird is happening because @termie has code that detects we're about to hit the timeout limit and shows a warning page. He's working on changing that code using the new background task queues feature so the bird should go away entirely.
According to the AppEngine folks like @bslatkin we should never be "over capacity" here.
4 months ago by adewale
@PseudoFinn: i dont know for sure, but some of friends said so. but they might be wrong. but i like jaiku better. does anyone know plurk.com? take a look at it. its kinda like twitter and jaiku.
4 months ago by krnkarina
@adewale- quite true, it seems. When I did get flipped the bird, my comment still made it through- this is fine with me so long as the operation has completed. Quickly firing up another tab just to verify that this is the case is a decent tip. :-)
4 months ago by PseudoFinn
@krnkarina: @jyri et al founded Jaiku in February of 2006 and launched in July. The Twitter project started in late March of the same year- I believe as a means to enhance and harbor creativity by a private company (Odeo I think- podcasting?).
So, technically Jaiku is older in concept- but I think Twitter has been in operation for every-so-slightly longer- but that was just a private launch. I believe the official public launch was in July- same as Jaiku.
For some reason, the less functional and far less useful (IMO at least) non-conversational Twitter service took off better than Jaiku. Certainly doesn't make it anywhere near as good of a product, just means that more people jumped on to the Twitter bandwagon as it rolled through their digital village. ;-)
4 months ago by PseudoFinn
Speaking of less functionality- is Lifestreaming ever going to re-appear in Jaiku? Really miss that feature, and it seemed to be the point that my circle of contacts dropped out of Jaiku. I suppose it could have just been coincidentally timed with the near-death experience and subsequent open sourcing that the service suffered at the hands of its new parent company- but that was when my stream became a ghost town and I took off myself. Trying to replace the void left by my beloved Jaiku with Twitter was just... well, it was stupid.
4 months ago by PseudoFinn
Some of us have been here all the time...
4 months ago by map
Yes, you are absolutely correct @map- how can I be forgiven for my abandonment of Jaiku and be welcomed back with open arms? :-)
4 months ago by PseudoFinn
I think determining the age of the various services is very complicated. Jack Dorsey had apparently been thinking about the concept of Twitter for several years in advance of the actual launch: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jackdorsey/182613360/
As for lifestreaming...I was never that big a fan of it but file a bug for it at : http://code.google.com/p/jaikuengine/issues/list
The PubSubHubBub project should mean that we'll have the infrastructure to support feeds again without having to deal with load issues we had last time.
However I wonder if we can learn from FriendFeed and build a better version of the Jaiku lifestream than we had last time.
4 months ago by adewale
@adewale Is it valid to file a 'bug' for lifestreaming- as it was just a feature that was dropped, correct? Happy to do so though- I enjoyed it, mostly for Flickr updates.
4 months ago by PseudoFinn
@PseudoFinn: I think you got the main points around the startup period (BTW, @krnkarina is new here so...). I think Joi Ito says it best here Jaiku, which existed before Twitter, is a bunch of Helsinki mobile jocks getting into the Web 2.0 of it all whereas Twitter is the Web 2.0 crowd "getting" co-presence . As to the question of why Twitter took off and Jaiku did not, I think the major contributers were - Silicon Valley + SXSW echo-chamber effects, combined with the timing of the Google purchase.
@krnkarina I think Plurk was one of the "follow-on" services that popped up once Twitter started to get tech-press coverage. From what i understand, it is only really usable via a web-interface.
Regarding Lifestreaming, I always liked it because it helped me to get a better idea of a person so I was able to make a more informed choice around following them (what other services did they use, what were they putting on those services, quick look at their blog etc).
4 months ago by ymb
@PseudoFinn: Jaiku is an open source project so any and all issues (not bugs) are valid. Of course filing an issue doesn't guarantee that anyone will work on it.
On the other hand the more detailed and compelling the vision the more likely it is to attract developers.
4 months ago by adewale